I have just signed up with EON at 9.4p per Kwh, It is common for major companies to claim they use renewable or carbon-free power only, on the grounds of green certificates. This page was last edited on 14 January 2023, at 23:49. NS first announced their target for a wind-powered train fleet back in 2015, but they've hit their target a year earlier than planned - way ahead of their 2018 goal. I see the logic behind the options for supply that can be taken, but how can any householder take a contract for 100% wind power when often this is not available, certainly if a large number opt for green power. If NS consumes an amount of gray electricity, than other consumers who pay for gray electricity will get same amount of wind electricity mixed in their gray electricity. The Nuclear Humanist 1.75K subscribers 40 Dislike Share 814 views Jul 23, 2017 The Dutch Railway Corporation. Do the Netherlands trains really run on http://elering.ee/cross-border-physical-flows/, http://ast.lv/eng/power_system/current_situation_in_power_system/state_of_power_system/, http://www.litgrid.eu/index.php/sistemos-duomenys/79, Antidotes were hard to find this week as one cheering message after another was debunked only Positive News was buoyant | C 3000: antidote to gloom, International Energy Agency Electricity Production Statistics for OECD Countries 2014 2016 | Blogging about energy and transitioning to clean energy, Drone Strike on Saudi Arabia Knocks out 5% of Global Oil Supplies, Grazing, desertification and climate change. For example, in 2015, Burlington, Vermont, became the first city to announce it was running totally on renewable power. * Just an FYI, this official infographic shows that the scheme saves 1.4 billion kWh of electricity, which they say is the same as whats used by ALL of Amsterdams residents. Its standard accounting practice. Fossil fuel-fired power plants produced over 80% of the electricity in the Netherlands, mainly natural gas (42%) and coal (35%). http://ast.lv/eng/power_system/current_situation_in_power_system/state_of_power_system/ . Three strikes. Bach supplies data for Belgium, which should be a close analogy, and Figure 4 shows Belgian wind generation for September 2014: Figure 4: Belgian wind generation, September 2014, With an installed capacity of around 1850MW in this month the overall wind capacity factor was 11% and there were a number of occasions on which wind generation fell effectively to zero for hours on end. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. So the standard is that 100% renewable utilities buy or produce same amount of 100% renewable electricity they sell. I cant help feeling that inexperienced power traders at NS will have been taken to the cleaners at the expense of passengers. These include the 580km NorNed submarine cable (700 MW) link to Norway, the 1,000 MW BritNed cable link to the United Kingdom and the COBRA cable link to Denmark (700 MW). Were these conditions to repeat themselves now, and if NSs trains were powered exclusively by wind, they would almost certainly come to a halt. [16], In March 2018 the Dutch government announced that it will build between 2023 and 2030 several new windfarms with a total installed capacity of 7 gigawatt. NS operates about 5,500 train trips a day. [19] In July 2016, the first two stages of offshore wind farm development for a combined 700 MegaWatt capacity in a water area near Borssele was awarded to DONG Energy at a price of 7.27 Euro cent per kilowatt hour for 15 years. Rather they act like a component in an electric circuit. Belgium and Finland, wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities, http://www.sciencealert.com/all-electric-trains-in-the-netherlands-are-now-100-powered-by-wind-energy, http://www.djtelectricaltraining.co.uk/downloads/50Hz-Frequency.pdf, http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-e1-and-vs-t1/, https://askjaenergy.com/2015/03/23/does-apple-not-want-truly-green-data-centers/. The claim by the Dutch railway network, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), is almost entirely a sleight of hand. The Netherlands is also well prepared for a significant rise in the production of intermittent power from wind energy by good linkages to its neighbours via high voltage cables enabling power to be imported or exported as required. Up until the Westereems Wind Park was commissioned the largest onshore wind farm was the Princess Alexia Windpark in Zeewolde (122MW),[36] consisting of 36 REpower turbines and a 3.2MW/33MWh battery storage power station of BMW i3 batteries. Data from Frontier Economics. You can't pull line between your house and a windmill and hope you have 100% power for all the time. Its own wind farms, built in the Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, and Sweden, aim to generate enough energy to fulfill NS's demand of about 1.4 terawatt-hours for 2017 (enough to power a million . For NS to use only wind power from wind farms to power its rail system the wind farms must be connected directly to NSs railways. The company is also looking for a dramatic reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. You know all that and simply fabricate a problem where there is non. The T1 standard relates to telecommunications. [5] The first of these, the 429 MW Noordoostpolder wind farm was already partially deployed by year end 2015 whilst the 600 MW Gemini offshore wind farm was commissioned in 2017. Physically it makes no difference as you say, but as HeavyWeather pointed out above my money is now going to fund reactors not Energiewende, so Im happy. Obvious to the meanest intelligence. Whats the trick? One wind turbine running for an hour can power a train for 120 miles, the companies said. [21], In November 2011, the Dutch government decided to no longer fund 6 billion per year to maintain subsidized wind kWh at 0.18. It is 100% powered by electric. In this way, the Dutch railways aim to reduce the greatest negative environmental impact caused by CO2 in such a way that its demand actually contributes to the sustainable power generation in the Netherlands and Europe.. Since Lithuania has a chronic power shortage the flow normally goes North-South. So pick your choice Even cheap electricity doesnt change anything. This is the cause of the very bright, blue-white spark you sometimes see near the third rail, as well as flickering carriage lights. It`s a scam. TL;DR Dutch trains run on natural gas and coal power, not wind power. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS. Only the Guardian has seen fit to publish a correction: An earlier version said all Dutch trains were now 100% powered by wind-generated electricity, according to the national railway company NS. PV in Germany, and Energiewende in general, will go down in history as a useless waste of money, a financial disaster which will be used for decades to come as a bad example of ideology-driven energy policy. I do not know why this is, maybe a different ethane ratio? How much of the Netherlands electricity is supplied by wind? It sharply cut subsidies down to 1.5 billion, leaving private sector to carry over wind turbine investments should these be beneficial.[6]. Works for me, and they were cheaper than EON too. The problem with the high costs for heating in France is the really poor quality of the dwellings, their poor insulating and cheap quality whatever means of heating one uses its literally money thrown away. Apart from the first rather obvious problems, anyone with the most basic understanding of electrical enrgy, as taught before 16 at school, would immediately know this was a wholly untrue technical assertion., Thats the whole point, Brian There are hardly any people with a basic understanding of electrical energy If most would have an understanding, there would be no renewables at all The whole charade would not even have started in the first place , Just as Otter says above, on different forums, lots of people are claiming Im 100% renewable (because I have a 100% RE contract with Essent, or Lampiris, or Belpower, or ENI, or ), Neither humour (so you got all the wind power this morning, because there was none left for me !, nor hard facts (for the 8-day period 27/12 03/01, that I just took a look at for another discussion, Wind and Solar provided a grand total of 4.6% of all electricity used in Belgium Was that enough for all of them 100% RE contracts ? You are not really concerned about the energy bills of the poor. [1] [2] [7] The project cost $272 million and is cooperatively owned by Royal Dutch Shell and the Dutch utility company Nuon. (CONTINUED), London Underground trains use two conductor rails to manage their electricity needs (Image courtesy [+] of BEN STANSALL/AFP/Getty Images), In all cases, this regenerated electricity can be returned to the power line via the conductor rail. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction, writes author Roger Andrews. On-board energy storage systems, such as batteries; An overhead wire that the train connects to; or. Dutch electric trains are running on 1.2 billion kilowatt-hours of wind energy supplied by sustainable energy supplier, Eneco. The Netherlands imports wind power basically because its falling behind its EU renewable energy targets. Its our offshore coal burn. Web. Acquired by Lagerway in 1998. Heres a fantasy as to how Nederlandse Spoorwegen could make their claims of only using wind power a reality. The national railway company, NS, said that its renewables target had been met a year earlier than planned. The GoOs trade at a premium and help to subsidise the production. Wind power now supplies about 10% of Belgiums electricity, so power imported from the Belgian grid will be about 10% wind. The supply of wind power to the Dutch grid will also not be constant. The first two are feel good justifications that have no practical impact. French people are bricoleurs they like to build their own house, thanks to the fact that if it has a surface below 175 m2 you dont need to go through an architect, you can do your own building plan. UK Government to Announce New Energy Policies, Waking into our new volatile age of oil prices. [5] In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. This is about two-thirds of the system. At near the speed of light, is there such a thing as national or regional energy mix, other than in our habit forming minds? "Exploiting wind power in Holland." Two of the models are still under production. More than 12% of the Netherland's electricity is generated from renewable sources, mainly biomass and waste (5% of the total) and wind (7% of the total). one of their national railway companies, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), 700 MW offshore windfarm near the town of Borssele. Eneco has agreed to supply 1.4 terawatt hours (TWh) of wind-sourced power by 2018, which is roughly the same amount of energy consumed by all the households in Amsterdam, the capital city. As Brightvibes noted, a decreasing and relatively small number of Dutch trains are still running on diesel. Because Eneco, which contracts to supply NS with wind power, gets a Guarantee of Origin from the exporter under which the exporter confirms that the power came from wind and assigns the rights to it to NS. Under this system the government chooses locations and organizes tenders for projects of 350 MW, and project developers can offer bids for each farm. The US city of Philadelphia has taken regenerative braking to a new level though. I happen to know a little about the Dutch grid and its power networks: interconnectors to other countries have long been bottlenecks and monopolising capacity on them has proved to be quite profitable in the past to those who trade electricity in more than one country. Its of course a waste to install a separate grid with only 100% renewable electricity. Especially since there are no green electrons. Every electric train on the Dutch railways NS network now gets 100 per cent of its energy from wind energy. It doesnt add up, I would say about Euro 47 million is big money especially when you consider it`s for nothing.. That is why half of the demand will be sourced from a number of new wind farms in Belgium and Scandinavia, which have been specifically assigned for this contract., http://www.railway-technology.com/features/featuremichel-kerkhof-of-eneco-discusses-the-dutch-rail-networks-renewable-revolution-4647194/. Earlier this week, one of their national railway companies, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), announced that, since 1 st January, every single one of its electric trains have been running on energy. The green electricity we use is generated by new wind farms, which have been brought into service in phases. Many of the numerous smaller and older wind farms in the Netherlands consist of much smaller turbines compared to those typically deployed today. A book co-edited by Thomas Homer-Dixon contained a passage stating that windmills "might never generate as much energy as was invested in building [them]." Imports from the German grid, however, will contain about 14% wind power, although not wind power that NS has contracted for. The question is: how long must a windmill generate energy before it creates more energy than it took to build it? 01-13-17 Dutch Railways' Electric Trains Now Run On 100% Wind Energy Now 1.2 million people per day can commute without raising their carbon footprint. I have no wind records for the Netherlands but P.F. This has already led to a savings of 1.43 billions kilograms of C02 emissions. HomerDixon.com. At this point, total Dutch wind power generation is about 7.4 billion kWh annually. Stuart As of Jan. 1, 600,000 daily train passengers have been traveling completely carbon neutral, according to an announcement from the Netherlands principal passenger railway operator, NS. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. Started operations in 1979. It goes back to the start of 2016, and includes the Netherlands as well as Belgium and the Nordic countries (and Germany) that NS claim to be supplied by. The only way we could get close would be to take this measure of the citys population (813, 562) and this value for electricity consumption per person (1800 kWh). A little more than a tenth of all electricity consumed in the Netherlands comes from wind power, some of which is imported. I am surrounded by almost 3000 MWs of hydro power in my county alone, but because of these guarantees of origin my supposed consumption is very dirty, consisting mostly of a central European mix of coal, natural gas, nuclear with some renewables added. As of January 1, all electric passenger trains on the Dutch rail network have been run on wind energy, according to a statement from operator NS (via EcoWatch ). The fun would be that trains would soon be blocking the lines as power production fell. On insulated wires, the speed, on average, is about 2/3 the speed of light. In this way, the Dutch railways aim to reduce the greatest negative environmental impact caused by CO2 in such a way that its demand actually contributes to the sustainable power generation in the Netherlands and Europe.. https://askjaenergy.com/2015/03/23/does-apple-not-want-truly-green-data-centers/. Produced at least 12 models of 2000, 4000, 4500, and 5000kW. When I travel, I just plug in my electric razor, which automatically converts it. 22 May 2018. One thing I should have mentioned in the post is why NS doesnt get all its wind power from Netherlands wind farms. If its a less busy line, some of the electricity is stored in batteries on the train. What is SDE? Their goal was to operate all NS trains on electricity produced by wind turbines by January 2018. Where I post my arguments on various things climate-related, belief that a 100% renewable-powered train can and does exist is ubiquitous. There is a tight social net up to the point where their transfer income pays for their existence. BBC News. Money doesnt matter to me. I think the trains in the Netherlands use 1.5kVDC anyway bet there are no wind turbines producing that directly. "Carbon Shift: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (and Our Lives) Paperback." Not relevant here. What the Netherlands gets when it imports it is the energy mix on the German grid. Smaller turbines are often used for off grid, bespoke and community power internationally. Bolthouse Farms Sued After Smoothie With 100% Fruit Juice Tests Positive for PFAS, EPA Announces $27 Billion Fund to Help Low-Income and Disadvantaged Communities Transition to Renewable Energy, Derailed Train Cars in Ohio Were Not Labeled Hazardous, Wind Turbine Giant Proposes New York Factory That Would Create 420 Jobs and $500M in Local Investments. You bet. A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of coking coal and 300 tonnes of iron ore, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons. So that is coal fired power not going into the Netherlands grid. It is just another way for RE politicians to bamboozle the lay public and keep the green mythology alive. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. The commercials know that the public will probably think that the commercial parties are spending out of the goodness of their hearts, to save the planet. Wheres the renewable engy only socket? Its 50Hz in the Netherlands and most of the planet apart from (mainly) the US, Canada and half of Latin America. And half of Japan, poor devils. If you want to be generous to NS, you can say that the BritNed interconnector is definitely being fed by the coal fired Maasvlakte power stations when it is delivering 1GW to the UK, because theyre right next door to the HVDC converters. All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . The construction of these wind farms along with others in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Finland helped NS and Eneco to hit their target so far ahead of schedule. Reply to Rod above went to the wrong place and left off the smiley after Albania. I did not say wind energy is Idiot Power.". I believe in low carbon power, just that I also believe in security of supply, and with wind, or solar or tidal, you cant get it. London Undergrounds system provides 600V of direct current to their conductor rails, still enough to be potentially lethal. The 600,000 Dutch that travel daily by train will now do so thanks purely to wind energy, with the national rail operator Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS) announcing that 100 percent of its. (Although Eneco, NSs wind power procurer, claims that its wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities . Homer-Dixon, Thomas. But of course even two-thirds of the NS system doesnt run completely on wind power. So while wind contributes about 7% to the Netherlands electricity generation it contributes about 11% to the countrys electricity consumption. The Harried Dutch commuters who are travelling on one of the most environmentally friendly rail networks in the whole of Europe, if not the world are being sold a bill of goods. Wind farm output goes up again ? The rationale is: If the Dutch railways sourced 100% of the 1.4 tWh of energy they needed each year from within the Netherlands, this would decrease availability and increase prices of green power for other parties. This energy is directly traceable to individual wind farms, because we use the GVO European Certification System. This material may not be reproduced without permission. The largest wind farm in the Netherlands is Noordoostpolder with a capacity of 429 MW. Electricity backed 100% by low-carbon generation, Its also why we make good on our supply promise for homes on our Blue tariffs: well match every unit you use with electricity generated from low-carbon nuclear sources.. Some of the newer larger wind farms currently under construction are replacing smaller turbines previously installed at given locations. Heating with electricity is their homemade problem that escalates bills for the poor with no alternative. Grid connections for the Luchterduinen and Nordpoostpolder wind farms (locations approximate) are shown in black. ) can ever bring them off balance They dont understand, but they believe ! However, wind power consumption in the Netherlands in 2015 was 12.5TWh, indicating that about 5TWh of wind power was imported during the year. heavyweather~ Im sure you can link us to sites which prove your point. Either figure comfortably exceeds the amount of electricity NS uses to power its electric trains, which is variously quoted as either 1.2 or 1.4TWh/year. As well as the technological problems discussed in this blog can we afford this destruction of our landscapes pursuing this RE dream. That's something. The 50 Hz, with 3000 RPM generators in Europe, may be due to various reasons, Here is an explanation. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction. But if youre reading this and thinking How can trains run on electricity?, fear not. 14 October 2009. But a recent piece of news about electricity caught my attention. All wind amd solar energy gets a hefty FIT tariff in the Netherlands, intended to guarantee profitability of the energy investment over the long term (even if the electricity market price goes negative, for example). [9] As a first step, the government has determined 65 sites for offshore wind farms in the North Sea and IJsselmeer. People making this claim are simply propagandists. The clip is in Dutch so set the captions to translate if you do not speak the language. These newer and larger wind farms are making use of some of the largest wind turbines available, in particular in the case of Noordoostpolder the Enercon E-126 7500kW wind turbine, the largest onshore turbine available at that time. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. [15], In February 2022 the Netherlands announced it increased its offshore wind target to 21 GW by 2030. As of January 1, all trains in the Netherlands now run entirely on wind power (that is to say electricity generated by wind farms, not masts and sails). Because theyre just one part of a wider grid, most train operators use electricity from a mix of different sources coal-fired generators, nuclear plants, hydropower or, in the case of Nederlandse Spoorwegen, exclusively from wind turbines. The Dutch rail network will run entirely on renewable wind energy by 2018 under a new contract signed by power company Eneco and energy procurement cooperative VIVENS. If not, Im sure their stranded customers would be happy to explain it to them. According to LJ Electrical only 2,231km of NSs total 3,223km of track is electrified): Figure 2: The Netherlands railway network. An all-electric heating is much easier to implement, few properly dimensioned wires and cheap heaters, while a gas heater needs specific know-how and is much more capital-intensive. This record was immediately beaten the following year with another 766 MW being added. The historical land of windmills is leading the charge in wind energy development. Started operations 2009. World-famous for their picturesque windmills, the Netherlands has always had a love affair with wind energy. Sign up for our email newsletter! If you would like to know more, click here. Sign up for our email newsletter! Only 18,9 Twh were bought in Norway, the rest sold abroad. Figure 1: The Netherlands generation mix 2000-2013. Do Dutch trains run on Wind? Julian Turner gets the inside track on the unique collaboration from Michel Kerkhof, account manager at Eneco. Produced at least 19 models at 250, 750, 1500, 2000, 2300, 2500, 2600, 3000, 3600, 3800, 4000 and 4500kW. Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind.. There is, however, a problem. The Dutch government is looking to ramp up the nations share of renewable energy from 4 percent in 2014 to 16 percent in 2023. [20], The Rachel Carson wind farm (also known as the Eemmeerdijk Wind Park.) The point about this is that it is just PR. Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy. That means electrons traveling across international borders to help power the NS railway system come in some amount from wind power, but in much larger amounts from non-wind sources. Consumers in NL can choose suppliers that deliver 100% renewable, or 100% wind, or 100% dutch generated wind, etc. However, the government wants 40% of the total electricity used in 2030 in the Netherlands to be supplied by wind. . 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