Dallas Jenkins Net Worth. Im not holding my breath. So instead of trying to defend these rascals, I prefer to inform and warn the church about the wolves in their midst rather than giving them a break. Concerned for the vulnerable animals safety, he left his own gun by its side. Personally I do not want to create that kind of hardship for the surviving relatives of those who made my youth group experience a nightmare. His entire enterprise is being exposed as a fraud and a ripoff of the naive, yet he faces no repercussions inflicting so much spiritual, emotional and financial abuse. My current frustration, as someone who wants to get it right, is not knowing how to get it right in light of all the historical evidence. His client, the alleged molester, told him they were false. This campus is a close-knit family of Christ-followers who are deeply committed to living out the gospel and seeing God use their church to impact their community. Movies Popular Now Playing Upcoming Top Rated TV Shows Popular Airing Today On TV Top Rated People hospitable Color me cynical here but Im thinking his last name and his media prowess was what was driving that. You have not taken full responsibility for your actions. Well, Im just a speck in the universe. Much as I seek to be gracious and forgiving, it is extremely difficult to accept these new confessions at face value. I had a churchgoer tell me once in a Bible Study to Lighten up Max. I was in a back and forth with some supporters of another well-known abusive megachurch leader recently, and one of the fans of the leader assumed I was posting under a made-up name and then slammed me for my cowardice as being anonymous. MacDonald gave Mark Driscoll $50,000? Wow. Ken F (aka Tweed): Vincent is a coward: came to an old thread less likely to be read and didnt stick around to answer for his comment. I can only imagine what was said as explanation, particularly as my spouse (still blindly loyal) remained much longer than I, until our children put up a united appeal to leave. It could very well be that Christianity is at the tipping point where believers realize that they are doing church without God where they have put their faith in religious systems of assorted belief and practice, rather than building a personal relationship with Christ. I am not on Twitter myself, but I have been following others, like you. The apostles counted that an honor. He and James wanted newer, better buildings now, not when the flock could afford them. You sound like an attorney who just sent me a letter stating that I posted false statements by a victim. Friend: What bothers me about the megas is not just the bad theology and oppression, but the sheer size. The average American Christian has evidently become so open-minded about such characters that their spiritual brains have fallen out! The days of intermediaries are over, and we all have access to the very Spirit of God to lead us personally as he desires us to go. He didnt. This has been going on now for 12 years. Id say largely because the leaders themselves have been told to believe this. And check your privilege while youre at it. In fact, not saying something wouldve been considered enabling and a betrayal of those being hurt.. Dallas Jenkins: I wish that the decision to be a public figure in this scandal was left to the individual, not to third parties. i mean, why does it matter, any more than what elastigirl thinks, or what Max thinks, or what any of the other cast characters thinks? +++++++++++++++++++. They are crumbling under their current debt load that FRED saddled them with; still he brags. Of course, the big jump you and those who make such claims make is from a shepherd/overseer/elder who is to look after, protect and provide for the flock to a paid, authoritarian ruler. Directed by Dallas Jenkins (The Resurrection of Gavin Stone) and distributed by VidAngel Studios, The Chosen has grown to become the largest crowdfunded TV series of all time. If only we would listen to what Lewis was saying, we might avoid these bullies going way back who latch onto Christianity because of all the naive fools who are suckers for the Gantry/MacDonald Schick. humans decide who gets to be an apostle, the process of which is surely not unbiased. I judge not those who remain I truly understand the depth of the manipulation but hope they do not fall victim to the crisis of faith and to the abyss that often follows when all youve built your faith on falls to ashes. Dallas Jenkins: There have been many people demanding our statements be made public, and now that they are, are rejoicing in that, 1 Corinthians 13:6 Noevangelical: Both HBC & WC had a plurality of elders and a single pastor as the head of their church. My family faced a similar situation years ago. I, personally, do find truth to be something to rejoice in. This cancer is about to metastasize across the U.S. and ALL of the dirt needs to be made public for the safety and spiritual well-being of the masses. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. (Ephesians 5:11). Do like King David did (by writing Psalm 51 and signing his name for eternity) sign your name to your failure then go find some hurting people from Harvest and minister to them. In our common language, we use the word elder to describe one who is older than ourselves. Too many are like big box stores that shutter all of (the little churches on) Main Street, and then close their own doors forever. Abused and misused, it stands in for everything from I can never be good enough for God to accept me, to sin-leveling, and license to ignore my humanity and to go ahead and do the kinds of things to others I wouldnt want done to me. . Very sobering time for disciples of the living God, our Saviour Lord Jesus. How many times must those facile a-historical Fundy myths be refuted before they are finally and definitively laid to rest? I mean, everyone thought Willow Creek was that church. So my statement that Dallas may have run an online poker site, and suggestion that it might be questionable concerning MacDonald were off base. They engineered the black funds and the worst of the financial abuse. Why, dontcha know God inspired Paul to speak his thoughts, and me your trusted pastor to interpret them rightly? You dont even need a Pastor/Dictator at the peak for things to go sour. At this point however the narrative cannot be controlled by people because God Almighty is acting now. But first you must go before your brother in There was a letter by Dean Butters that was leaked this past week. I certainly have my doubts that Paul would be rejoicing over the likes of MacDonald, Hybels, Driscoll, and countless others who have taken advantage of the Body of Christ over the last 2,000 years. For one of his theatrical performances at HBC shortly before his demise, JMac posed as a homeless man to make a sermon point I suppose he was so relevant, you know. I am willing to bet that MacDonald has been on the horn with Driscoll to see how he transitioned to Scottsdale after Mars Hill imploded. , I would disagree. Vincent, TWW has relayed first hand knowledge about JMac from his elders and personal assistant to the church at large, lest he try to maneuver his way into another corner of Christendom. Children were crying, looking around with fear on their faces, teachers were trying to physically comfort some by embracing them, and even removed some children. Your newfound joy is where I, too, am seeing Gods fingerprints, and why I am holding out hope that my faith will survive. It wasnt all self-interest; they actually thought that good was being accomplished in spite of the bad conduct behind the scenes. They are all one and the same. Wow. Posted on September 7, 1997 by admin Harvest needs to close because there as a beacon to the rest of the world as to what happens when talent trumps the grace of God so feeely given to us in repentance and a broken heart. Both HBC and WBC had a plurality of Yes-Men Courtiers around a Pastor/Dictator O COME LET US ADORE HIM!. All three words refer to one position or office within the church, that of the elders. I am watching the SBC be accused of following in the footsteps of the pedophile priests of the Catholic Church. 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Note, I am using my name.. Amen. If they couldnt get it right after three years of intensive time with Jesus, what chance do we have? I think theres a massive problem with the deference thats given to pastors and other religious leaders. HBF disbanded in 2017. Apparently DJ knew these things and witnessed these things, but did nothing about these things. So this ole guy is here until the Lord moves me along or my comments stop making sense (please tell me if they do). Also little league and some other community services no charge. The lampstand was removed a long time ago. (In less than a year, he has doubled attendance.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwSTe9uit48. The need for such men is apparent. I approve as soon as I have a moment. Craig French: Thanks for confirming the authenticity of the content, Dallas. Truth the WHOLE truth is the only antidote. Recreated vertical version of "Hallelujah" sang by Heather Headley reflecting on the sacrifice of our savior. And he was promoted to the XLT or whatever?? Its also possible it wasnt a continuous period of teaching, that there were times when they all had to go to work because they had families to support. 7,646 were here. He is best known as the creator, director and co-writer of The Chosen, the first multi-season series about the life of Jesus of Nazareth. Vincent: Satin has really pulled the wool over your eyes. one who rules his own house well I mean, how could you be labeled Christian without giving Jesus a little bit of credit?! Ill be blunt, your post is silly. Many are passionate about their cause, but it is far too often found to be a misplaced passion. The history of church offices is a bit more complicated. Maybe you should have considered the consequences of your actions, or inaction, before you decided to hitch your wagon to JM. However, unfaithful leaders who pursue anything but the cause of Christ as the primary driver for ministry fall easily for all three. in talking with my octogenarian missionary-kid dad, i hear words like the heathen (it makes me sick, yet i love him with all my heart and soul). in the interest of understanding, can you explain what you mean by grace? Why would anyone want to kill a magnificent creature like that? This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. but ultimately it means people are brainwashed into being acquiescent, passive, accommodating, maintaining their silence. In March of 2000, Harvest Bible Chapel adopted the mission to establish Gospel-believing, Bible-teaching churches. Yet with their plausible and attractive arguments they deceive those who are too simple-hearted to see through them (Romans 16:17). His LLC scheme was dreamed up because James announced that no new debt would be taken on until the $43M in debt was paid off in full. "After hearing of the accusation, the Human Resources department of Harvest Bible Chapel proactively reached out to Mrs. Green on September 30, 2018, via email and text." Also want to acknowledge it took courage to write that letter knowing your children might be kicked out of school. And for keeping ones mouth shut on the way out? Our musicians have taken to heart the mission, core, and purpose of Vertical Church music: To write songs of ascription for the church to use in worshiping Christ around the world. Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) has long been under scrutiny for its finances, questionable transparency, large debts due to its acquisitions of many campuses in the Chicago area, and possible mismanagement. We have seen that the octopus has many arms, from mega-churches to major christian publications to all of the organizations that feed the monster. Why in the world hed take this approach and evidently consider it courageous or fitting is completely beyond me. TS00: I find it very comforting to know that Jesus entered into a world that was very similar to what we now face: Religion had become a caricature of what God desired, and Jesus gently called people to follow him, rather than fear men. Forgive MacDonald if he genuinely repents? Vincent: you must have first hand knowledge and part of that fellowship in some fashion. That clearly does not describe James MacDonald and HBC elders who are coming forth one at a time to confess their roles in the great deception in Chicago. As my friend says, suck it up buttercup., Max: I believe if Jesus was here today, He would be sitting around the campfire drinking beer with the boys!, In all likelihood, He probably would be. It certainly didnt protect anyone. As of 2020, they now gather as City Line Church. These Harvest producers were on this site yesterday, meaning it was only adjusted after Dee posted this letter. You couldnt care if the pastor lives in a 4 million dollar mansion. It looks like a church with terminal stage 4 cancer. I was a strong donor who loved the church and served in multiple areasI was in a good place spirituallybut I didnt meet the qualifications. and purportedly, eternity depends on each individual institution and the collective one. .. Im a witness that almost everything you re reading and hearing is true.. I agree with those who say that Dee is fair with her control of her blog. . Driscoll was stopped Hybels was stopped MacDonald was stopped. Law Prof: the posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the comments. Thats all it takes, my friend. Its time for all these leaders to stop whining as if they were the victims and demonstrate a genuine show of sackcloth and ashes before the masses they deceived the real victims who must now live with being tithe-paying participants in this scam against Holy God. There are other places for the truly repentant to serve in the church. others have encountered the bright, blinding light (minus the horse, not on the road to Damascus) and heard a voice self-identified as Jesus (including a few people i know). If leaders and led live like this, the details of polity scarcely matter. Gone on any safaris or gambling junkets with MacDonald & your dad? They existed to serve him as *yes* men and in that respect, they are quite accomplished. Or are we to believe he just held back on refuting all this defamation out of a righteous desire to turn the other cheek? I dont think one can derive that theory from that word showing up once in the entire NT in Peg 4, 4th in a list. Where in scripture does God say that elders have authority over those they care for, or that elders should rule over them? i understand the losses you describe, and experience them, too. Yup, there are plenty of great sources of community *outside* of the church. For some, that would be a great option. The elders in one church have no say over those in another. Even during Christs life the disciples were weighing out who was most important and who would take the position above all the others. Because (my opinion) in many brands of evangelical protestantism, Paul is the absolute gold standard for all things Christian. Gee, how much money are they making on this deal? not violent This will always happen, there is no way to avoid it. Like livestock for slaughter so Pastor can eat mutton until he bursts like Mr Creosote. AND PREACHER-MAN INFLICTED THAT ON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS? The office of an elder is not to be taken lightly. Dont ever feel like your input here is ever wasted. How would church members do what you recommend? A person who thinks they are qualified, is someone who may need to take some time to discern whether thats true. We all are that person which is why we still need Jesus daily to save us from our continuing sin patterns in our life. My understanding is that Driscoll also consulted with Gateway. (Dee). The Didache and letters of Ignatius and Clement confirm this, as well as other writings from the early second century. ), Law Prof: If we just got back to that model, the one the early church leaders generally followed . Sunday services, weekly small groups, other events all give meaning to peoples lonely lives, and the rest is mostly fluff. Now if some pastor or group of elders is abusing people, then gloves off. The Didache and letters of Ignatius and Clement confirm this, as well as other writings from the early second century. In the meantime, I dont rejoice over unworthy vessels carrying the precious Gospel of Christ. A friend became nearly apoplectic when I tried to explain this. I believe he also was something of an unwitting prophet, possibly used by the Lord Himself, to reflect a mirror back at U.S. Christendom. not given to wine wolves among the sheep, earning their money, Only a public attack and a loss of financial success would drive change at Harvest., Thank you, Fisher, for the encouragement. The restoration of truth is the one thing that brings healing. Its hard to go back when you see what goes on behind the curtain. So why not allow comments? Unless, trying very hard to see it from the inside' their vision of God, whom they reckon they were imitating, is more arbitrary, capricious, violent and domineering than mine. he has no tore proof to offer me. Does it matter if they were technically doing it right if it ends up with a lot of shredded Christians on the other side? It was not just Jmac who was enriching himself. i agree, Paul has worthy things to say that are beneficial. Someone even mentioned an anti-Christ component here, which I agree with. Too many are like big box stores that shutter all of (the little churches on) Main Street, and then close their own doors forever. God doesnt need Harvest and in fact Id be willing to say the spirit of Jezebel has been leading that place since the early 2000s. There has been financial fraud committed by Harvest and its leaders. Time and again, examples in the Bible show light shinning in darkness. * Apparently, many of the leaders sent their kids to Harvest Academy and there is fear that their kids will be thrown out of school. I dont see how were in disagreement, at least in terms of practical application. 4107 N Steele Blvd, Fayetteville, AR, 72703, United States. birdoftheair: Very sobering time for disciples of the living God, our Saviour Lord Jesus. (Stacey Wescott/Chicago Tribune/TNS. These charlatans cannot be allowed to get away with this. PJ: Be wary of falling into the trappings you so boldly wish expose. so, if as Max says, if we do not get senile, or too bitter or cynical, our life experinces can at least put current disasters in perspective. to take stock in ones view, and have confidence in it, is personal responsibility. I dont see how you could get any further from the mark in your comment. Cool bands, espresso coffee, relevant sermons, fun and fellowship, etc. Youre standing on the right box, IMO. . Yowzers, you have me stumped. Indeed. They will now export it across the US. Harvest Bible Chapel began meeting the Rolling Meadows High School building. 1. These head pastors will gladly pay SM large fees in exchange for helping them become secret multi-millionaires. If GP will cave to SBC outrage over a tweet in order to GET the contract, what else might they quietly cave on for the sake of KEEPING the contract or for getting the next one? Harvest Bible Chapel - Elgin Campus - Fall 2011 Women's Campus Groups The Elgin, Illinois campus of Harvest Bible Chapel is is lead by Senior Pastor James MacDonald. Instead, all the surviving records appear to show the Church was liturgical and sacramental from the beginning, with established offices of bishops, priests, and deacons. Theres so much we dont know. im so glad i resisted & refused all the pressure the christian community put on everyone concerning that film. Muff Potter: Youre not alone elastigirl, theres no way I could watch it either. At their final congregational meeting, they became a Harvest Bible Chapelgifting their building to us. Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. The Evangelical Bubble proclaimed it a Witnessing Tool (as if that was the only reason for anything) and then bought out so many showings a lot of the theaters had to discontinue group tickets. I wish that the decision to be a public figure in this scandal was left to the individual, not to third parties. It is a position of authority and responsibility. That said, the bishops, priests, and deacons are supposed to be models of humility and servanthood. Shes gone out of her way to state otherwise. While some noble souls may have stayed longer thinking they could make a difference and persuade JMac to be a better man, the wise ones would have realized this to be an impossible task and took the first opportunity to get while the gettin was good. We all know who is trustworthy, mature and wise to go to for advice or counsel. We believe that disciples of Jesus profess that He is Lord, practice His Ways, and persevere in both their profession and practice. We should not be surprised that the battle between the false and the true rages on, and should continue to cling to the true, whatever the cost. (Not questioning its authenticity, just want to be clear on the context), What MacDonald has done must be documented, not only for the education of his next set of *followers* but for posterity. (Dee). Restore him to ministry? Unfortunate, but true. Whatever ministry is going on at Harvest, is going on as a cult. I believe that if I hadnt been a strong donor, I would not have been considered and wouldnt have vaulted through Harvest leadership over more deserving peers. yup, great biblical example here! Since then, the output of Christ-adoring songs from various worship team members has continued to accelerate. I am sorry you and your family experienced that. Apparently, many pastors have opted to preach the gospel for the wrong reasons .. to toss out the name of Jesus now and then while they work their deception to benefit themselves. My church was a much smaller WC wannabe but the dynamics sre the same and bear the same fruit. The posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the comments both here and on Twitter from anonymous people. Good words, Fisher. After all, Paige Patterson (big game hunter and ex-President, Southwestern Seminary) went on African safaris and used that experience to spread the gospel: https://swbts.edu/news/releases/game-banquet-uses-hunting-venue-spread-gospel/. Its true, though, this is kind of an agonized therapy for me, and I am sincere. When we separate believers into clergy vs. laity, pulpit vs. pew, us vs. them failing to equip and mobilize the saints to do the work of the ministry we miss what God intended for His Church and fall short of living in the Kingdom of Heaven here and now. And you have the same right as the rest of us to post anonymously. Note, that they are always mentioned in a plural form. Their churches were of human origin, they failed. You state things so well that there is little to no need to add anything. Lord knows weve had enough explosions in the modern church. Harvest Bible Chapel We're here to glorify God through the fulfillment of the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20). And I know I post too much. If I find solace anywhere, its in the quiet moments of solitude and silence wherein I sense anew that the mysteries of life are vast, and that my continued pursuit of that which is beautiful and simple and true is enough for now. I presume this is because he has a much bigger platform, but if that is not the reason, I am open to hear. Lowlandseer: The elders [PRESBUTEROS] who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder [PRESBUTEROS] and a witness of the suffering of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed; shepherd [POIMEN] the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers [EPISKOPOS], not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly. (1 Peter 5:1-2). Were so far off the original model for doing church, Im not sure we can find our way back. You have my phone number,. Every man has his price, or a guy like me couldnt exist. It just completely sets things up for abusive situations. Dallas Jenkins: It was given to the elders two months ago. For our setting and ministries, it would be very difficult. God will not, will not let you go. It seems to me that there is a serious idolatry issue at HBC. and all eternity will be jeopardized. I dont have any answers. blameless I believe if Jesus was here today, He would be sitting around the campfire drinking beer with the boys! Max responding properly (thats all I will say). You have any lies and untrue rumors to highlight that are being spread here, out with them. I wish it wasnt so. "Do Theologians LIke Russell Moore Ever Apologize for Theological Blunders of the Past?" Runnin bear dove in the water, little white dove did the same https://theelephantsdebt.com/2017/06/19/headed-to-the-big-house-for-the-sake-of-jesus/. Only if this does not work are you to turn him away as a unbeliever. Thousands came and all seven campuses hosted these spectacular services all at one location! But adding the concept of God to the mix , *God is inhabiting the warm water, so im mystically being helped by it and on my way to becoming a Superhero for God. A shepherd does not own the sheep, but a hireling, responsible to the true owner for seeing after them, protecting them, helping them to make their way to new pastures and safe water when the old become bare. its, like, the top christianese word that means so many different abstract things (depending on whos using the it) that it sort of means nothing anymore. Every jot and every tittle is just as if the Almighty is still thundering out of Horeb through Paul. Someday Ill be big enough so you cant hit me in the end, its what i think, what you think. there was no way i could see that movie, even as a full-fledged crusty, jaded adult. A lot of people still hurt. This is indeed the plan of Satan, IMO, but when you try to suggest such a thing you are usually scoffed at as a conspiracy theorist. And if they refuse to see that these guys are nothing more than carnival barkers and mountebanks? Great! Neither Dean Butters nor I wanted our letters published. You will come closer to finding the genuine in third-world countries where the persecuted church resides. Exactly what were people afraid of? TS00: Truth was genetically modified centuries ago. Your comments often put me in mind of the older and wiser men I knew in church when I was young. Theres an AUTHENTICITY in there. In reality, it lost about $29,000. information from others can be beneficial. Yeah, thats it self-esteem. John: I was asked to consider serving on the elder board there three days before I leftand the topic of 1Tim 3 wasnt brought up. Harvest Bible Chapel on the Lord's Way in Naples was once one of eight campuses of the 40,000-member, Illinois-based Harvest Bible Chapel. Then, he apologized and said the would teach the high school Bible class. Harvest was known for emphasizing unapologetic preaching of the Bible, unashamed adoration of God's Son, unafraid witness to the gospel, and unceasing prayer. That sadness is so deep. Any truth about MacDonald as a bad-boy preacher needs to be made public! I really cant come up with a legitimate reason for why these Pastors and Elders are continuing to conceal the truth while realizing that doing so will result in decades of further abuse. . I dont know if its just that I got old enough and wise enough to start seeing it or cynical and hardened as I got older, but after going through the 1980s and 1990s able to find what I thought were decent churches, for over a decade I havent to find a place that isnt abusive, heretical, led by a narcissist or all the the above. THEY are the ones who the Lord calls upon to should humbly shepherd the flock. Rather, as all of these spiritually abusive situations demonstrate, the flock is likely to be deceived and preyed upon by wolves in sheeps clothing. Once credibility is lost, it is hard to regain. You dont even have to be a tyrant to fall for that scheme of the devil. Thats when the insanity really began. Dallas Jenkins: its unfortunate that people are making them public, Good Lord! I personally doubt that MacDonald was ever sincere, but it is likely that many of his deceived henchmen were. I adhere to the never-say-never adage but cant even remotely imagine EVER being involved with a church again. Even during confusion, never-ending drama, attacks and Size, style, structure, statements, staff..have not guaranteed us safe and healthy churches. This hits the nail on the head. And particularly sad to see younger church folks not benefiting from the council of senior saints. There is no such thing as a single pastor leader role that even exists. The man most likely is considering launching a new ministry and needs to be stopped in his tracks. I was a strong donor who loved the church and served in multiple areasI was in a good place spirituallybut I didnt meet the qualifications. Dallas, I want to also say in all gentleness- I know youd like to be in control but you cant be. 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