Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. It was on an automatic answering thing. They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. Bella was face up in the oil tank. Everything you say can & has been disputed. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. 1. What is going on?? The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. I chose this thread that details the grisly aspects of the deaths to post it because, after reading the entire thing, it almost seems that there was an unrecognized accomplice in the Watts family murders. Of course we dont know what shes talking about. The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. Did she even go upstairs to sleep? Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. Rude person. The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? The ground was visible disturbed. There is a text I think to chris. Your email address will not be published. @nickvdl Hi. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. Page 453 I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. The police reports contain several photos showing the oil drums where the childrens bodies were found. The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) Or do they just know? Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely? I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. And dropped her in alive? However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. Not Shanann! And his mistress tells him she wants to be the one to have his first boy prior to the murders and surprise after finding out she is having a boy , she is now dead. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Her spouse has a religious obsession/addiction; I think youll see similarities. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. That is what this whole thing boils down to, Chris not wanting a divorce for the simple fact of having to pay child support on 3 kids. Its horrible. Gastrointestinal Tract: For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! Makes me so sick. Its actually not uncommon. She strangled them.. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. He snapped and I was terrified of him. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. In the report, (link below) stories of financial devastation, destruction of relationships, and even murders and suicides paint a vivid picture of an industry built on lies and deception a business that focuses its greedy eyes on the naive and the vulnerable. Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. I love that guy. 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. First of all- the digestive tract is long. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. Correct. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the . He also is the male submissive in F/m relationships. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. Did you live with them? Its definately not most. 5 PM the previous evening, as many of us believe, then by the time he was ready to pass them through the thief hatches, theyd be pliable again. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. And about the **bra thing** (on or off, sleep or not), well this is a big deal to me, because I think it can be considered an indicator as to time of death, or at least, it can confirm she had the chance to get out of the clothes she came home in before she was attacked and killed. Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. There is no sympathy for that psychopath period. Chris was ocd also. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? CW planned it, read it up. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. At the time of her death, Shanann had been 15 weeks pregnant (via MEAWW). But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. Shanann's autopsyconcluded that her cause of death was asphyxiation due to manual strangulation. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. Stranglehold Theory. He is a monster. At least I would have. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. And she clearly WANTED the best for them, and she was still learning. I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? I am by no means defending him. I didnt know what else to do. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. He found her phone between the cushions. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. They didnt do date nights. Shannann even said that he was like another person. She had everything she needed on the ground floor kitchen for food and drink, office to make haircare purchases, bathroom and toilet and a big sofa with a huge blanket left on it as shown in the initial welfare check police body-cam footage. I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). Watts claimed that he snapped and strangled his wife when he found her murdering the girls, but he later pleaded guilty to all three murders. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. He really thought he could get away with this? My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? He then pursued and strangled her there. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. Esophageal strictures are typically treated with a procedure called esophageal dilation, during which a physician uses a small balloon to stretch open the scar tissue causing the narrowing in the esophagus. Did anyone explain that? Now i fully beleive NK was in on plan, her idea to put bodies in tanks to help disolve them. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. Cyril Wect is an expert who always talks about how drowning victims have water in their lungs ONLY if they are alive during drowning and not completely dead !!!!!! The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. Celeste did NOT have any found in hers?? He probably wanted it done quickly and in the dark so he wouldnt have to see anyones faces, anything that might make him doubt what he is doing. Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Typo. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. Page 463 The money was going somewhere, and the ultimate location all points to ShanAnn the expensive preschool for their girls while ShanAnn quit work to be a stay-at-home mom (she could have been taking care of them herself during the day instead of paying top dollar for strangers to); the Leona Helmsley-level of excessive expensive shoes; that trip to Arizona (which ShanAnn had to pay for) when they were in such a dire financial disaster (credit cards all maxxed out) in service to her MLM; the expensive leased car whose payments werent guaranteed to be paid by the MLM company; all those manicures (those aint cheap) and so on and so forth. Like someone took over his body. She was always busy. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. Her fully formed gallstone may have contributed to her not feeling well during her last MLM trip. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. I cannot get over what he did. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. So what are you saying? Please explain. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing was a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion and didn't admit to planning it. To do her business? You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! And to come home to a cheating bum! He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. Chriss demeanor was nonchalant. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. I go back & forth wondering if he planned on killing the kids, or if Bella saw & then he had too. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. I found nothing unusual with that part. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities have released the autopsy reports for Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts, who were murdered by Christopher Watts in August. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. So that indicates perhaps that she and Bella were murdered around the same time as Shanann Im guessing. They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . Celestes was similar. However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. Ditto who died first and last. I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? Death is simply not pretty, nor was it meant to be. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. The sheets were off because he used the fitted sheet to wrap her body in because of its rounded corners, he said this to the investigators. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. Even more common with pregnant women. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. Just kind of odd. So weird. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. The two girls, Bella and Celestes bodies also had same, was noted in autopsy reports is from decomp process. I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? As far as the OCD I dont believe she had it. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally She was not drinking! And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? He cared more about his 2 month relationship with that home wrecker then the 6 years he spent with his wife and the lives of his children. Thats why no defense wounds. My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? Kick him? Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. Doesnt mean he couldnt have used his presence in the marital bed to induce her to get close to him and give him the opportunity. Theres plenty of liqueurs that are very well hidden in frozen shakes etc. Listen to the cop who interrogated him after he tells that stupid story. Would love your thoughts, please comment. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? It kills me because its pretty clear they went to bed like normal and were awoken to find him killing them. The trauma dogs noted hot spots in the basement. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. But from Molletts work, it seems the alcohol levels in Shananns body were normal. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. A history of this procedure could easily go unnoticed during an autopsy. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. The reports had been sealed until the outcome of the trial. Any attacking motion he made that Shanann saw, even for a second, would have prompted her to scream. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. How was she about her childrens allergies? Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. Lack of petechiae. Did you mention in your book that Shannan thought her marriage was wonderful and things started changing around the time your Hero Chris Watts started having an affair? He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. Powered by. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. Strangleholds require little physical strength. And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. Wow, you are really reaching here. The reports also show that Shananns fetus had been expelled from her body, which was buried in a shallow grave. 3. Death by asphyxiation in each case. Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. What about rigormortis?. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. Thankyou. I think His story is believable. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. Do not make it more complex than it need be please. He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. If the girls were dead by ca. Sociopaths/Covert narcissists wreak havoc and(emotional) destruction on those around them without exception. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. Police photos CeCe was face down no oil inside her. https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . She was an environmental science person. Have you read the 2000 page discovery? Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. Thanks! I havent seen one statement from anyone who knew her well say she did. Kinda odd. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. As for the one person Im referring to I think ignoring them is pretty much a good idea (: Im not a contributor to this conversation. He asked to speak to his father before confessing. Hes asked whether Shannan was strangling CeCe or smothering her, at first he says strangling because this is the only thing that makes his story believable but afterwards he knows theyll be no marks so he says hes not sure. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. Shanann Watts. 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