They've got a- a very plausible, very credible high status scientist at a high status scientific institution. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society. So, go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30 day trial and a few audiobook. And to bring a few other of our storytellers in. I'm going to take a break. The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. Sep 21, 2018 . Radiolab. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. And what makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? I mean, you have to remember, during the- during the Crimean War in the 1850s, Europe starves. He figured maybe 1% of these men would keep flicking these switches up to the highest voltage, but that's not what he found. The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies. That's what you do. He has such great faith in me." You know, energy from the sun to grow crops. We'll be right back to Haber, but wait- wait. We realize this is hard work, but what you are doing is for the good of Germany. And he believed it. Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camps? But if you think that's the right thing. In that, "Why?" And my views about human nature are that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. I mean, you know, it's just one of those things we've been bringing back shows that we think are just vibrating still in the world. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning. Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. It's 0924 hours on June 17th, year 2003. Cruelty, violence, badness. Cruelty, violence, badness. That I remember picking her up and-. In front of this really impressive looking machine. I can't quite place him. But when he gets there, he has to contend with his wife. Dylan Keith is our director of sound design. It's about 1880. He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty. Come over now.". He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen. Maybe this is the time they tell them to go brush their teeth or something. Why did you take these women off the streets and wanted to destroy them? Even past when they were screaming in pain. plus-circle Add Review. Radiolab is supported by Audible. He loves the fatherland, and he loves Germany. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments the same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. Pince-nez, okay. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a few audiobook. The subjects range in occupation from corporation presidents to good [inaudible 00:12:29] and plumbers. She says, "What happened today?" So in the end, where do you come down? They're supposedly chums, but General Othello has no idea that Iago-. The Bad Show.ogg download. All right. Well what is something's happened, the man had an attack or something there? Said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone?". If the experiment- if the experiment had to be successful, it had to be carried on.". But if they were prepared to do that, and I suspect a lot of them would, um, then we'd say these are people who really believe in science. Very distinctive looking man. So, these are some word pairs. Um, this is one of the things that's, uh, this was one of the things that's sparked my interest in the topic of murder. Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. And Christensen, I dated her several times bef- three times- two times before. To find page after page of yeses. The same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of Aaron the Moor-, And there's a moment in the play where Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently.". "I need to kill because of that." Iago. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. Yes. Right? Up until that point, Gary refused to say that "From the minute I picked these women up I wanted to kill them." So then Hey wait, I'm almost done guys, give me two more minutes, two more minutes. And he says, "Because of the rage." I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk. We've got to know now. But there's been a fellow, I've been thinking about him for the better part of year, as you know-. This is Radiolab and today we're talking about Well, we're trying to think about what goes on in the mind of a bad person. Listen Infective Heredity. No. We just got to get ov- get out of it where-. I'm going to resign.". What you know you know. Really, that story has been told a million and one times for the last 50 years. All right. Yeah. Right. He's standing there on the front, pushing the gas into the lungs of other human beings, admittedly, it's a ware, but still. But what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. Well the thing that haunts me about the why question is that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. They're not doing something because they have to. In any case-. And I heard about him from science writer, Sam Kean. Trivalent. Well, if you dressed it up, and if you had some minor vairance in the paradigm, you could presumable, you know, make- make this up. James Shapiro, Professor of English at Columbia University. Anytime the experimenter said, "You must continue." This is Radiolab, and today we're going to get back, so to speak. Thank you Ben. Hmm. Why does God allow this to happen? You better check in on him, sir. Is that like a- like a green cloud? We begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod And this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006; total disobedience. So, you ask like, why do people do bad things? In 2016, Abumrad took a four-month break from Radiolab, in large part to recharge from what he's described as burnout from the years of making the show in his distinctly intense and very. The- the leaves would just sort of shrivel and the grass was turning to the color of metal. Uh, when- when asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60%. And he says that's what people wanted. Dan Charles, Sam Keen, Latif Nasser, Fred Koffman and Fritz Stern. Uh, we ask "Who did you think about killing?" But did it, publicly, in front of her friends. It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. Okay. Hey wait! And invited me over. Because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it This trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy that's released, it could be used for life or death. Direct your voice toward that microphone in the room [inaudible 00:20:33]-, So they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow, this is really important. And you like her. But there's a fellow. The killer seems to have placed the bodies as if they were mannequins. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says. They're trying to be good participants. The son, eventually, after he emigrates to America kills himself. He knew about it. Gary is dancing around this topic. And I used to socialize with him and his wife. If you think that science is worth pursuing, you say, "Okay. So, here's the interesting thing. That he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. After all he knows what he can stand. Who's going to do this powerful piece of science. I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. So around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. We'll basically bring it to the front, and when the wind is right, we'll just spray it. Yet you go into this [inaudible 01:02:33] knowing full well that it could end up in her death. If any sizable fraction actually acted on their homicidal fantasies, the streets would be running red. I knew she had a daughter and-. "Definitely yes.". Imagine how it feels to have an award-winning team by your side through the mortgage process. And that we're not going to be shocked with anything-. The reason why he's telling all this stuff is because he has cut a deal. The participants, you know, they're not- it's not- it's not just blind obedience. I think you got to answer it with him, right? And this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". Of course nobody wants to be killing other people. And isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society who are willing to make sacrifices for a greater- the greater good? Thanks. Well talk about Fritz Haber. So, my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John Natson, they start using a line of, uh, uh, a tact of, uh, uh, of interviewing him that was very-. And my father was recruited to the task force. Sounds insane. And my dad said, "I don't want to talk about it." And that's what Shakespeare did in all his plays. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. And then he starts this period of roaming. We, as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of godlike sort of vision of like, "Well, of course, what they're doing is wrong." How many times would they shock that sad-. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film in case you've never heard of this. Now, of course you could find some nitrogen out in the world. It is a fair question to ask, "What are the conditions under which you, or me, or any of us could do-. But you can't throw that air onto a plant. And oddly enough, we got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy-. People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies. You know, "I just want to kill her. It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. So, it's very-. And he was wearing a fur coat-. They were gagging, they were choking; hundreds of them were falling to the ground like-. For when the subjects didn't want to continue? You know, just because of a mathematical summing up. Was he grappling with something? And almost like blaming the victims. And on June 13th, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell and brought to this sort of very nondescript concrete ugly office building and, um, over the next six months from June to early December. That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. "Oh, you tell me sir, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". Okay, well actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. The good Iago who makes you want to shower the minute you leave the theater 'cause you are sullied by him. Radiolab - Transcripts Subscribe 187 episodes Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. Thanks. This is just a tsunami of evil-, And at the very end of the play, when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? Why does God allow this to happen? And, uh, she had got a disgusted look on her face and said that he was up in the bedroom. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. And 91% of the men said yes. He said that if I ever had a relationship with another man, he was going to send videos of us having sex to all the people in my university. Said, "Deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns, and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench them with their tears. I'm Jad Abumrad. Clara, also from Breslau, also from a Jewish family. Podcasts; . Let's go into our instructions. On the other hand, if anyone can do it-. with the ideas that people would do bad if they think it's good, it's a good noble cause. Go. So, at a time when there are people all over our country eyeing other people all over the country and thinking, "She's bad. And they ask for it to be reformulated to take out the warning smell. Be right back. And then he just trails off. All right. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning, meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and give us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. Warning. Um, "Demand me nothing. Uh, generates electric shocks. This is Radiolab and today talking about? in what is basically like the Baghdad of his time (laughing). And I designed a little questionnaire where I simply asked the students, "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" He has a pot belly. Hi I'm Robert Krulwich. That is true. Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? It was actually a crushing blow for- for him. Let me- let me jump just, uh, a quote in front of me. And this is was the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and, of course, Hitler's Germany. He figured maybe one percent of these men would keep flicking the switches, up to the highest voltage. And not just yeses. Because, ultimately, the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. Hey this is Jad, RadioLab is supported by IBM. Whether it was feeding or killing or-, And he does. This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". And there is no doubt that today's plants and animals carry the genetic legacy of ancestors who fought fiercely to survive and reproduce. You know, on the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's he-helped or fed versus people he's killed, I mean, he's got fed billions of people, I don't know that you could entirely call him bad. Can we really know that? This is Radiolab and today we're going to get bad. But harbor saw it as a wonderful success, and wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it, because he felt they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. And I just sat at my desk and started reading these. In a rage, uh, how? Like, maybe he thinks Othello is sleeping with his wife, we're not sure. Our- our friend. I got to tell you, I'm not totally comfortable that you're providing all of the information [inaudible 00:57:52]-. I- I- I would say in a powerful mood. And when hydrogen and nitrogen bond together, the thing you get-. I'm almost done, guys. That's one of the things that we need to know. Horrified like, "Oh my God, my students are murderers?" Then he left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said yes. WNYC's Radiolab The Good Show Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich Jan. 01, 2012 The standard view of evolution is that living things are shaped by cold-hearted competition. According to James, he's not the baddest in Shakespeare or in life because ultimately the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. Wasn't satisfying me, it made me mad that she was very much in a hurry, she had something else on her mind, and I killed her. And he spends five years and a futile effort-, Sounds insane. More energy than seemed, like, possible to make. And when you stick a seed like weed seed in the ground-. What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? And what he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. One of the reasons it grows is because it's sucking up all the nitrogen in the soil. Well, the thing that haunts me about the why question that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. David always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. No reason. Okay, so what happened to David that night with his friend got him really curious about murder, and badness, and all these things we're thinking about. No motives. Just tiptoes out, just from time to time. Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. Especially because she found out he was leaving the next day to direct more gas attacks. And then, Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering her with a pillow. Just trying to imagine that. Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called-. Necrophilia. Said- said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone.". And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. My dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. Outside of WNYC, I think This American Life does as well, and I know enthusiastic fans transcribed Serial.. Yes. Chimps. And they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? Fast forward 10 years. And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'". And so, uh, when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. Who they would kill, where they'd do it, when. So, how do you feel about him now? Meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and gives us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. You're cut down before then. We did a show called The Bad Show. The Gatekeeper | Radiolab Podcast - YouTube THE GATEKEEPER 0:00 / 48:50 Joyce Daubert takes Bendectin for nausea and Jason is born with birth defects The Gatekeeper | Radiolab Podcast. And to approach it with kind of crazy joy, I don't know. We just need a whole lot more of one simple element. Which is a- a fairly small, you know, a small sort of town. I mean-. You mean they're looking at 20 million people hungry? It's absolutely essential that you continue. As we continue listening to the Bad Show on human nature in our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Wave, which we mirrors the natural shape of your body, or the Casper mattress with zone support for your hips and shoulders for better alignment. You know, I'm really proud of Job. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and sit them up right at the dear friend's door. He would dance around things. Uh, he's a master plotter. With my arm. Well he started fuming that his wife had dissed him, and-. She was a- I knew she had a daughter in the last [crosstalk 01:01:03]. Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. And every scenario produced a different result. But if you look at Milgram's work closely. If any sizeable fraction actually acted on their homicidal fantasies, the streets would be running- running red. Equal Housing lender licensed in all 50 states. Don't- don't the man's health mean anything? Well there's something distasteful about the fact that he was too into it, but I do think on some level, you have to divorce the man from his deeds, and you got to ask, "Is the world better with him or without him?" And he believed it. Before the guy is cut to shreds, he's allowed to confess, "I heartily regret the fact that I killed the young maiden or defamed the king." With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. And according to some accounts, as it crept across no man's land-. The time now is 0836 hours. That's historian, Fritz Stern, who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. A lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people in the planet at that point, that maybe we were maxing out. 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